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Nephite Coins
Unlike such as the 'white and
delightsome' issue, where apologists tried to defend their
leaders' recent change to the text of the Book of
Mormon, FAIR (Foundation for Apologetic Information and
Research) has produced a video that actually attacks an
'inspired' header to the Book of Mormon and claims a text
regarding coinage does not mean what it has clearly been
perceived as by millions of Mormons and their leaders
for one-hundred-and-eighty years. With no apparent
mandate from the First Presidency and no change of text
or header, they claim; through historical Old World data,
common sense and reason; that the Nephites did not have
coinage as declared by the book and header. Without a First
Presidency mandate, this act undermines and discredits not
just the Church and its current leaders but many previous
leaders and their 'inspired' writings. They seem to be
agreeing with detractors through sheer logic - a refreshing
change, but of significant damage to their leaders'
credibility.
The following notes were
posted on 'Exmormon Forums' 11 March 2010
and also appeared on 'RfM' 13 March 2010. They are
followed here by a section from TMD Vol 2 which covers Nephite
coinage in more detail:
FAIR concedes Nephites did NOT have
coins, dig themselves a hole and jump right
in!
I
just came across this video clip from FAIR so it is new to me,
but it may well have been available for some time. As I have
written on this subject myself, I felt it worth relaying this
absurd claim made by FAIR.
Until the 2005 film “The Bible v. The
Book of Mormon” was released; no one ever seemed to question
the concept of Nephite coins in the Book of Mormon. Everyone
knew and accepted that the Nephites developed and used their
own currency system.
Subsequent to the film, in a remarkable
turn-around concerning all that Mormons previously understood
about coins from reading the Book of Mormon, FAIR claimed the
heading to Alma 11 is “almost certainly wrong” and that the
Nephites did not
have coins after all.
It
is notable that as ever there has been no official response
from the First Presidency or Quorum of Twelve who are the ones
(rather than mere apologists) who are supposed to actually
represent God. Apologists stir up a hornets nest and the big
fifteen keep quiet.
In
a three minute clip, entitled “The Book of Mormon and Coins”,
John Welch, founder of FARMS (The Foundation for Ancient
Research and Mormon Studies), introduces what is
news (to them, but not the rest of the world) that “sometimes
people criticise the Book of Mormon saying that it talks about
coins; and coinage wasn’t really invented until after Lehi has
left Jerusalem.”
Daniel C. Peterson, PhD – Middle
Eastern Studies; makes this astounding confession:
“There have been no coins found in
Ancient America because they didn’t exist – and they don’t
exist in the Book of Mormon.”
He
adds: “The header note to Alma 11 which describes Nephite
coinage is almost certainly wrong.”
Brant Gardner, Scholar, Mesoamerican
Studies claims:
“The header is a modern addition. It
has nothing to do with the text. It certainly isn’t unusual
that people will read that section of the Book of Mormon and
assume that it’s coins but we do that with the Bible too. We
will read ourselves back into it and make assumptions about
the early culture based on what we believe, so we read these
things and say it must have been coins.”
Kerry Shirts, Contributing Researcher,
Foundation for Apologetic Information and Research then says:
“But those headings were not on the
plates. From our understanding, some of the modern brethren
put those headings to try to give us kind of a guide but the
actual text itself describes different weights.”
Peterson then confirms his view:
“It describes pieces of metal; it says
nothing about them being stamped or minted which is what makes
a piece of metal a coin. There is no reason to expect to find
Nephite coins because I don’t think they ever existed and the
Book of Mormon doesn’t claim they do.”
Kerry Shirts:
“The actual idea of the differing
weights being used as a weight system in the monetary system
is actually in the Mesopotamian, the Arcadian – and the old
Babylonian, come to think of it. This is how they used their
money was through weight.
John Tvedtnes, Senior Scholar chimes
in:
“In fact even the Israelites used
weights initially. The Bible mentions some. The most common
was called the shekel which comes from the verb ‘to weigh’ –
actually it is the verb meaning to weigh.
Back to Peterson:
“We know that coinage first appeared
apparently in Libya, in modern Turkey or Anatolia and you see
in some burials clearly the transition that occurs after
Lehi’s departure by about a century or so from the new world.
You see mixed hoards of stamped minted coins and also specific
weights of metal that are not shaped, minted or stamped. So,
there was an evolution there in a sense. People went from
fixed weights of metal to actual coins. Lehi left just before
that change took place.
John Welch concludes:
“And that’s what we have in this
weights and measures section of chapter eleven. It’s part of a
big picture of the legal reforms that explains why those
weights and measures were initiated at that time and they
conform with what one would have expected from the ancient
world.”
Peterson:
“We always have the problem of trying
to impose on the text our own imagination of things. If you
read the text very carefully and try to filter out your own
cultural presupposition the ancient people didn’t necessarily
live, think or act exactly the same way we do.”
The three minute clip from which the
above text is drawn is available here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TC-JJhVL3U
The question is, after a long
succession of Mormon ‘Prophets’ who have been aware of the
header, if it is wrong; when the
headers were first introduced, somewhere around 1920 it seems;
why did the prophet of the day (Heber J. Grant) allow such an
error to be included in the heading or why hasn’t the
Mormon God revealed the supposed error to a later prophet and
had him ‘clarify’ it. Clearly, Church authorities have no idea
what the truth is and do not appear to venture an explanation
– or even an opinion. It is left to apologists to make such
statements, presumably in some kind of attempt to escape the
inevitable alternative conclusion that Nephite ‘coinage’ is
yet another evidence of the Joseph Smith hoax.
The heading
to Alma Chapter 11 includes the words: Nephite
coinage set forth… v.4
confirms they had actual coins (imprinted or not) and such
manufactured ‘pieces’ do not decompose over time. If they
existed in any
form, some should (and would) have been found decades ago. The
word ‘pieces’ in this context, in Joseph Smith’s day, meant coins – that’s a
fundamental; and previous to an apologetic need for such
fanciful conjecture; completely accepted, fact. It was in
common usage in reference to such earlier coinage as ‘pieces
of eight’; and ‘pieces of gold’ would have been readily
understood to represent coins rather than
ingots as such by early Mormons. Smith was also obsessed with
the idea of finding Captain Kidd's treasure in some of his
money digging exploits, which he no doubt considered contained
many ‘pieces’.
Alma 11:4. “Now
these are the names of the different pieces of their gold,
and of their silver, according to their value.”
This verse is not just a header to be
discarded, it is
the actual text
and clearly states that the pieces each had an
individual value –
and were not just part of a weight system. The
word value does not mean or equal the word
weight. Coins may indeed be of equal weight but the
text uses the words "according to their value" which is
indicative of the purchasing power of actual coins (or pieces)
that would not need to first be weighed. FAIR completely
ignores this obvious textual problem. If they claim that it
needs 'clarification', thus completely altering the entire
meaning from what everyone previously clearly understood to be
the case, then once again they make their God look foolish and
incompetent when it comes to an initial plain and simple
explanation of the actual case. Knowing such confusion
would one day exist, why did the Mormon God not dictate the
words "according to their weights" into Smith's
hat?
FAIR claims that the word ‘pieces’ of
gold or silver doesn’t mean they were imprinted – which would only then
make them ‘coins’. The notion that they would need imprinting
to qualify as currency is absurd when you consider the many
different early forms of currency, metallic and otherwise,
that have existed around the world without imprinting.
However, they seem to think that such pieces would only be found if they were imprinted. Since
when did refined pieces gold or silver decompose, imprinted or
not?
Peterson says later burials contained
“mixed hoards of stamped minted coins and also specific
weights of metal that are not shaped, minted or stamped.” So,
in the Americas let’s not expect to find
imprinted coins and just settle for “hoards” of “specific
weights of metal that are not shaped, minted or stamped”
instead. Where in all the Americas have any of the millions of
these pieces of any
size, shape or weight ever been discovered? The Americas have
seen more archaeological research than anywhere else on the
planet and there is not a single Nephite ‘piece’.
References to weights and measures of
the Old World do no more than verify the fact that Smith made
up the idea of Nephite coinage in the first place as they
would have had no knowledge of such things – just as
detractors have long argued. Now apologists play their usual
mind games, meant to capture the faithful before they lose
faith, and exploit their delusion further by explaining away
the inexplicable in a new idea that the header was wrong all
along misleading everyone and only they as academics can
‘clarify’ matters and now explain everything away
satisfactorily.
These pieces can hardly be
considered just
measures of ‘weight’ by any stretch of the imagination. Joseph
Smith clearly recorded what God supposedly told him via his
seer stone in his hat. No pieces have been
found, any more than coins have; and no other gold or silver
usage in any such complex refined form has ever been found in
the Americas. Gold dust was used (in quills) by the Aztecs and
Maya who also used measures of 24,000 cocoa beans as
‘currency’. Despite the FAIR claim that they used
weights, most used no form of currency at all and using 24,000
cocoa beans has little to do with weight and everything to do
with simple numbers.
The ‘pieces’ of precious metal were
equal to, or multiples of, other specific values. Therefore each
‘piece’ had to be of equal weight. Such
pieces are therefore effectively coins – minted and /
or stamped or not; each piece would have had to have weighed
the same and perhaps (if they were real) could have
been shaped in order to easily recognise the differences.
The 'shekel' reference does not mention
the fact that shekels were definitely NOT ‘pieces’ that each
weighed the same. A shekel was indeed a measurement of the
weight of any number of sizes from dust to ingots, making
up an appropriate weight. This has
always been perfectly clear and understood by anyone who has
studied it. The Nephite system; whatever you conceive it to
be; must be admitted as being ‘pieces’ of precious metal and
therefore should still be locatable and dateable – with
or without any imprints. Gold and silver doesn’t
miraculously deteriorate just because it has no imprint! They
had to have had millions of these so-called ‘pieces’ and none
have been found at all. Also, in the case of Biblical shekels,
which are mentioned in the video clip, archaeological digs
have not only located evidence of such in the form of gold, silver and bronze ingots;
but also
evidence of the methods of weighing them; naturally, dating to
before the time Lehi supposedly left Jerusalem, just as
apologists (only now) admit. So; where in all of the Americas
is the archaeological evidence for methods of weighing these
millions of missing Nephite ‘pieces’ of metal – or at least
ingots of gold and silver – which were manufactured
later than those found in the Holy Land, to
substantiate the claim?
Measures of
barley (Alma 11:7 & 15) could not have been used
against the value of Nephite coins or ‘pieces’ as claimed,
even as weights, as there never was domesticated barley in the
Americas. Pathetically, apologists cling to the idea that a
few grains of a type of small barley of some description may
have been found in one or two minor locations dating to the BOM time period.
Unfortunately, Arizona does not help problematic geography
associated with the BOM, so one problem
always leads to another. Additionally, it is completely
different to the species of domesticated barley
claimed to have been introduced from the Near East by BOM characters.
Remember, Smith claims they brought it with them and that it
was a staple that had
to feed millions of
people. It is a conclusive fact that this was not the case. Of
course, devious apologists may next claim that ‘barley’ may
have meant some other type of grain of convenience, just as
tapirs once suddenly seemed to have been able to act as horses
in order to pull fictitious BOM chariots; another
fanciful and ludicrous apologetic notion, which has hopefully
(and sensibly) now faded out of apologetic fashion.
The reality is that the Spanish introduced barley
to South America in the 16th century. British and
Dutch settlers introduced it to the United States in the
17th century. Soil core samples from across the
continent show nothing prior to that
and according to the BOM it was a staple
and used against the coinage (or now suddenly the ‘weight’)
system they employed. Barley is a
pollen producing crop and no soil core samples have located
domesticated barley in the Americas prior to the later
colonisation. So, coins or weights – it makes no difference,
the whole concept is outrageous and a study of all Native
American tribes and civilisations proves beyond doubt that no
such system as described in the BOM (whether coins or
weights) was ever employed by any of them.
I
have copied below, the section on Nephite currency from
The Mormon Delusion Volume 2, so anyone who cares to
revue the absurdity of Joseph Smith’s Nephite currency ideas
can do so. If you want to substitute the word ‘coin’
with the word ‘weight’ regarding Nephite currency,
everywhere in my work – which is quite a stretch for FAIR to
now claim – nevertheless, all the problems still
remain. It solves nothing and questions everything – including
this:
FAIR claims that the chapter ‘headings’
(which mention coinage system) were
“a modern addition” and “It has nothing to do with the text”.
They claim “some of the modern brethren put those headings”
with the “wrong” assumption that it
relates to coins. They didn’t bother to consider two things.
Firstly; headings seem to have been
introduced around 1920. They were approved by the First
Presidency or they would never have appeared. It clearly
states “COINAGE” which was always accepted as the case. There
have been dozens of members of the ‘big fifteen’ since that
time. Each one of them is sustained as a prophet, seer and
revelator. How is it that the Mormon God has not seen fit to
‘inspire’, let alone ‘reveal’, the truth regarding this matter
to any of those leaders (including TEN actual prophets) in all
those years – and still chooses not to do so – to avoid such a
problematic situation arising? Recognising that actual coinage
is an impossibility
in supposed Nephite times, but accepting the Book of Mormon must
still be shown to be true at any cost – what authority from
that God do mere apologists claim in order to decry their own
leaders (and their God) who permitted such an (obvious only to
them) error in the first instance? Do the Mormon leaders and
their God now rely on academics to explain what is really
meant in the “most correct book ever written”? If the First
Presidency are still happy with the header, then, as they
reign supreme in the Church, apologists should accept that it
does mean coins –
unless and until the First Presidency concede otherwise and
declare it on behalf of their God. The fact that it is
still there affirms that – either they accept Nephites
supposedly had coins or – the only alternative (thanks to
apologists who pointed it out) is they accept apologists
are correct but are quite content for the headers not to be
‘corrected’ and thus perpetuate yet another lie? Which is
it? Either apologists are wrong and they should say so;
or Church leaders persist in publishing yet another conceded
deception.
Secondly; B.H. Roberts seemed quite
satisfied to believe they had coins – not just weights, when
he wrote, “we have also a number of names of Nephite coins and the
names of fractional values of coins…” Roberts
‘explains’ the coinage system and their relative values and
then states “there is stated a system of relative
values in these coins that bears evidence of its
being genuine”. (A New Witness for
God. 3:145. Italics added). So; apologists are now
also disrespecting Roberts’ explanation which was clearly
accepted by the whole Church, leaders and members alike, until
this very day. No one I know locally has any more doubt about
the 'coin' system than they have any idea that apologists
decry it.
If
Church leaders did one day alter the header to read that it
was purely a system of measurement by weight, none of the
surrounding problems disappear. It would just add even more
complications for the Church, as it would show a reliance on
academic postulations based on delusional reasoning rather
than revelation from God. What a way to run a railroad that
would be!
The apologists may have been better
advised to leave well alone as they look increasingly foolish
in trying to be clever about things which are already complete
nonsense and they just make matters worse. Why would a God
dictate the most ‘correct’ book into Smith’s hat and at the
same time leave such ambiguity about what has become; due to
meddling apologists who want to look the part and appear
clever enough to explain the inexplicable; yet another
monumental problem for the Church? I can’t help but wonder how
such delusion still prevails in people who can see the truth
and yet instead of facing it, spend their lives searching for
and publishing supposed plausible but unfounded alternative
postulations in response to evidence against, not just this,
but all the claims
made by the Church.
Facts do not cease to exist because they are
ignored. (Aldous
Huxley).
Jim
Whitefield. Copyright ©
March
2010. All rights reserved.
Afterthoughts.
Suppose
the First Presidency are still quite happy that Nephites did
develop a currency system of coins, just as explained in the
BOM;
and
suppose they always were and still are comfortable with the
header; and suppose they still agree with B. H. Roberts that
it was indeed used by the Nephites? Does it matter that coins
as such had not
been invented prior to Lehi leaving Jerusalem? Why could they
not have developed the coinage simultaneously to other
cultures, just as all Mormons previously assumed and accepted?
After all, the Book of Mormon also claims the Jaredites
developed submersible vessels and were told they could
not use glass windows, many centuries before either concept
ever existed. The question is, has the First Presidency ever
questioned coins?
What gives mere apologists the right to
question what everyone else, including their leaders, accepts
as factual? Surely this represents; not a required
explanation; for it is already clearly explained and accepted
– no; surely this represents a lack of faith to believe what
has been published for years by those in authority who should
know far better than apologists who are just academics and not
prophets or seers (let alone revelators), with no 'God
given' authority whatsoever. Surely; unless they can confirm
the First Presidency have their own doubts and have asked them
to make up an alternative theory - and they also now change
the header to read 'weights' system; this claim is actually
the equivalent of the ‘philosophies of men, mingled with
scripture’ as Satan would say during the Temple
endowment; and they are on the road to apostasy. If they have
been given no such mandate, then shame on them for their lack
of faith and such an egotistical attitude as to decry the work
and view of their God given leaders as incorrect.
They have no right and they have no case.
Apologists have three choices.
1.
Produce a mandate from the First Presidency authorising their
work.
2.
Renounce it and retract it, as, if they have no mandate, then
it is a heresy.
3. Go one step further and apply
the same logic, common sense and reason to the hundreds of
other BOM problems and come to the only possible
conclusion. Not only did coins not exist, neither did the
Nephites. The book is demonstrably no more than fiction in
every way.
The
following is an interesting note, posted to my thread on RfM
by my friend ‘Cricket’ from the Salamander Society. If there
is any truth to such a claim, perhaps the First Presidency
would care to enlighten the world by producing said coins and
submitting them for independent analysis and dating – oh, and
at the same time, perhaps slap the wrists of the apologists
who have disrespected the Church's clear position as
stated in the BOM
header.