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The Weight of the Gold Plates

 

Critics of the church often use the weight of the plates as evidence that the Book of Mormon story is not true.  They go through complex calculations to show how gold plates with the dimensions described by the witnesses must have weighed some 200 pounds.  At the Tanner’s bookstore in Salt Lake City, they actually have constructed a replica of the gold plates using lead which is actually lighter than gold.  They challenge patrons to try to lift and carry the plates around the room.  The critic’s say that Joseph could not have possibly transported and worked with these heavy 200 pound plates.  Also pure gold would be too malleable to be useful for permanent engraving.

 

In this instance we disagree with the critics premise.  We don’t feel that the plates had to be made of solid gold.  Although the plates are often referred to as ‘gold plates’ they didn’t necessary have to be made of pure gold.  The witnesses described them as having the ‘appearance of gold’.  Although Joseph originally said “there was a book deposited, written upon gold plates” (History of the Church, vol. 1, by Joseph Smith, pp. 11-12), Joseph later wrote to John Wentworth that the plates had "the appearance of gold":  “These records were engraven on plates which had the appearance of gold…(History of the Church, vol. 4, p. 537).

 

Many things could account for this such as an alloy of gold and another metal or even polished copper plates.  A gold alloy or polished copper or even painted tin would have the appearance of gold yet weigh much less.

 

Using calculations to arrive at the plates is unnecessary as many of the witnesses have given their estimates as to the weight of the plates by lifting the container that held the plates which several people claim to have done.

 

Here are all the statements we could find that indicate the weight of the plates from those that claimed to have lifted the container that reportedly contained the plates:

 

William Smith, a brother of the Prophet

 

·        William Smith, a brother of the Prophet who had handled and hefted the plates in a pillow-case, claimed on several occasions that the set of plates weighed about sixty pounds. (Robert F. Smith, The ‘Golden’ Plates, pp 276 Reexploring the Book of Mormon, ed., John W. Welch (Salt Lake City: Deseret Book and FARMS, 1992).

 

http://www.mormonfortress.com/gweight.html

 

  • Joseph's brother William:  "I did not see them uncovered, but I handled them and hefted them while wrapped in a tow frock and judged them to have weighed about sixty pounds. ... Father and my brother Samuel saw them as I did while in the frock. So did Hyrum and others of the family." (Zion's Ensign, p. 6, January 13, 1894).

 

  • "I was permitted to lift them. . . . They weighed about sixty pounds according to the best of my judgement."[8] —William Smith   William Smith, William Smith on Mormonism (Lamoni, Iowa: Herald Steam, 1883), 12.
  • "I . . . judged them to have weighed about sixty pounds."[9]—William Smith    William Smith interview with E. C. Briggs. Originally written by J. W. Peterson for Zions Ensign (Independence, Mo.); reprinted in Deseret Evening News, 20 January 1894, 11.
  • "They were much heavier than a stone, and very much heavier than wood. . . . As near as I could tell, about sixty pounds."[10] —William Smith      William Smith interview, The Saints' Herald, 4 October 1884, 644.

 

Martin Harris

 

  • "weighing altogether from forty to sixty lbs."[7] —Martin Harris   Martin Harris interview, Iowa State Register, August 1870, as quoted in Milton V. Backman Jr., Eyewitness Accounts of the Restoration (Salt Lake City: Deseret Book, 1986), 226.
  • "I hefted the plates, and I knew from the heft that they were lead or gold."[11] —Martin Harris    "Interview with Martin Harris," Tiffany's Monthly, May 1859, 169.
  • "My daughter said, they were about as much as she could lift. They were now in the glass-box, and my wife said they were very heavy. They both lifted them."[12] —Martin Harris  ( Ibid., 168.)

 

Joseph's sister Catherine

 

  • Joseph's sister Catherine, while she was dusting in the room where he had been translating, "hefted those plates [which were covered with a cloth] and found them very heavy."[14] —H. S. Salisbury, paraphrasing Catherine Smith Salisbury      I. B. Bell interview with H. S. Salisbury (grandson of Catherine Smith Salisbury), Historical Department Archives, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

 

Willard Chase

 

Willard Chase reportedly also said the plates weighed 50 or 60 pounds but we haven’t yet been able to locate the exact quote.    Robert F. Smith, “The ‘Golden’ Plates,” Reexploring the Book of Mormon, ed., John W. Welch (Salt Lake City: Deseret Book and FARMS, 1992).

 

 

 

CONCLUSION:  So using the statements of the witnesses it seems logical that the plates weighed about 50 pounds give or take 10 pounds.  We summarily reject the critic’s arguments that the plates must have weighed 200 pounds.

 

 

 

 

Joseph’s Running Ability

 

From the 2007 Sunday School Manual:

 

Evidence of the Prophet’s extraordinary character emerged early in his life. The Smiths were living in West Lebanon, New Hampshire, when a deadly epidemic of typhoid fever attacked many in the community, including all the Smith children. While the other children recovered without complication, Joseph, who was about seven years old, developed a serious infection in his left leg. Dr. Nathan Smith of Dartmouth Medical School at nearby Hanover, New Hampshire, agreed to perform a new surgical procedure to try to save the boy’s leg. As Dr. Smith and his colleagues prepared to operate, Joseph asked his mother to leave the room so she would not have to witness his suffering. Refusing liquor to dull the pain and relying only on his father’s reassuring embrace, Joseph bravely endured as the surgeon bored into and chipped away part of his leg bone. The surgery was successful, although Joseph walked the next several years with crutches and showed signs of a slight limp the rest of his life.

 

“The Life and Ministry of Joseph Smith,” Teachings of Presidents of the Church:

Joseph Smith, (2007), p xxii

 

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Comment:  This explains why in many paintings of Joseph he is shown with a cane.  One of Joseph's canes is on display at the Community of Christ Museum in the Independence Temple.

 

 

 

 

Joseph Saves the Plates from Three Assailants

 

When the townspeople where Joseph lived found out he had golden plates, they reportedly tried to steal them from Joseph as gold plates would of course be worth a lot of money.  The following account is sometimes told in church of one of these attempts:

 

After removing the plates from the stone box, Joseph hid them in a birch log until preparations could be made at home for the plates. then he went to retrieve them.

"The plates were secreted about three miles from home...Joseph, on coming to them, took them from their secret place, and wrapping them in his linen frock, placed them under his arm and started for home."

After proceeding a short distance, he thought it would be more safe to leave the road and go through the woods. Traveling some distance after he left the road, he came to a large windfall, and as he was jumping over a log, a man sprang up from behind it, and gave him a heavy blow with a gun. Joseph turned around and knocked him down, then ran at the top of his speed. About half a mile further he was attacked again in the same manner as before; he knocked this man down in like manner as the former, and ran on again; and before he reached home he was assaulted the third time. In striking the last one he dislocated his thumb, which, however, he did not notice until he came within sight of the house, when he threw himself down in the corner of the fence in order to recover his breath. As soon as he was able, he arose and came to the house." (Lucy Mack Smith, mother of Joseph Smith, in Biographical Sketches of Joseph Smith the Prophet, 1853, pp. 104-105; Comp. reprinted edition by Bookcraft Publishers in 1956 under the title History of Joseph Smith by His Mother, pp. 107- 108) Emphasis added.

http://www.hismin.com/gold_plates.htm

 

 

 

 

 

The Problem

 

How could any man, especially a man that had a slight limp run with a 50 pound weight and avoid capture by three assailants?  The journey through the woods was about 3 miles as Joseph indicated above.  It’s inconceivable that anybody could run carrying a 50 lb. set of metal plates, jumping over logs and such and be able to outrun three men for some 1 to 2 miles that were bent on taking the plates from Joseph.  And all this from a young man that had a slight limp and would have difficulty running at a high speed for a long distance –especially carrying a 50 lb. weight.

 

We’ve heard where a football coach tried this experiment to prove that it could be done, however he only used a 20 lb weight and was only marginally successful for a limited distance.  There’s a big difference between a 20 lb. weight and a 50 lb. weight.  We can guarantee that if you got any normal, healthy, even stronger than average young man as Joseph reportedly was (and even one with healthy legs where there was no limp at all) and had him carry a 50 lb. dumbbell, even just one mile, that virtually any three men pursuing him could catch him almost immediately.

 

Joseph did not claim any superhuman strength divinely bestowed upon him for the occasion nor any angelic help, so how could this have happened?  It seems obvious that Joseph made up this story.  Although this story isn’t that significant to Mormon history, there’s an old saying “if you can’t believe someone about the little things, how can you believe the big ones?”

 

 

 

 

 

 

References

http://www.hismin.com/gold_plates.htm

http://www.utlm.org/newsletters/no105.htm

http://www.salamandersociety.com/mormonmath/

http://www.mrm.org/topics/book-mormon/how-heavy-were-those-gold-plates

http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/book_of_mormon/plates.html

http://en.fairmormon.org/index.php/Book_of_Mormon_anachronisms:Gold_plates#ref_fn3

http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/book_of_mormon/plates.html

http://www.mormonfortress.com/gweight.html

 

 

 

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